Fluorocarbon Coating of Coil Materials to Reduce Catalytic Oxidation Possibly Safely Feasable With Modern Electrical Engineering

[HyperdimensionalVaporFlux]

I believe it is possible using advanced temperature control techniques for coils, especially in disposable devices which are more consistent across units and are less liable to be tampered with, to coat the coils with a fluoropolymer like Teflon (PTFE) or PFA while still preventing the coatings thermal depredation and production of harmful byproducts. This would, in theory, eleminate catalytic oxidation of juice resulting in fewer harmful oxidation products and lead to a better and more consistent taste over time.

Coils coated in this way would also be way easier to clean and way less likely to accumulate "crud" overtime because the primary mechanism for creation of such cruds is catalytic oxidation and subsequent polymerization of vape juice compounds easily sticking to the porous and inevitably textured surface of the metal (not to mention the increased chemical bonding of the crud to metals due to van der Waals forces which would be virtually absent from fluoropolymers).

Even ceramics don't offer this benefit as they are almost by definition porous. The coating should have a smooth surface down to the nano level, be chemically inert and not "sticky". All of these could be achieved with fluoropolymer coatings and when combined with the increasingly cheaper advances in forms of temperature control, could be very safe and effective.

What do you guys think?

Full disclosure: I do have a university and self-taught background in chemistry, physics, materials science and nanotechnology.

Even still I'm interested in challenges to my idea, criticisms and constructive feedback.

 

[Gabbr]

I'm no science guy but knowing how awful these forever chemicals (PTFE, PFA, etc) are for human health, just think about it: Would you test this yourself? Are you willing to be the guinea pig to test if they'll ultimately be harmful or not? Obviously, you won't find out until many years have passed and it'll be likely too late to try to contain the damages.

Given what is already known about these chemicals, I'd say let's just not.

 

[HyperdimensionalVaporFlux]

I'm no science guy but knowing how awful these forever chemicals (PTFE, PFA, etc) are for human health, just think about it: Would you test this yourself? Are you willing to be the guinea pig to test if they'll ultimately be harmful or not? Obviously, you won't find out until many years have passed and it'll be likely too late to try to contain the damages.

Given what is already known about these chemicals, I'd say let's just not.

Of course I’d try it myself! I have a background in chemistry, know that perfluorinated plastics are essentially inert inside the human body and am not afraid of microscopic pieces of an inert material winding up in my lungs. Kinda like how we don’t worry about breathing in silica dust when we go for a walk on the beach.

I think my proposal still is likely to be an overall benefit given your objections. Hell, nickel, chromium, titanium, iron, etc are probably worse than Teflon or PFA for your lungs in the amounts we’d be dealing with. But what would even be the mechanism as to how significant quantities of a chemically inert plastic would wind up inside the body given even minimal temperature control?

 

[zoiDman]

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Coils coated in this way would also be way easier to clean and way less likely to accumulate "crud" overtime because the primary mechanism for creation of such cruds is catalytic oxidation and subsequent polymerization of vape juice compounds easily sticking to the porous and inevitably textured surface of the metal (not to mention the increased chemical bonding of the crud to metals due to van der Waals forces which would be virtually absent from fluoropolymers).

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You said that a potential Target for these "coated" coils is the Disposable Market. You do understand that there is No Real Cleaning involved with Disposables. Or Pods either. Just run them until they give up and then replace them.

Anything you do or change to make a Disposable/Pod last longer cuts into the Bottom Line of a company making them. See... these Companies make Money when you buy More Coils, not less. So this might be a hard sell at the Board of Directors level.

Then there is the Small issue of even if this tech could somehow be proven "Safer" than existing technologies, what's it All gunna cost? And when can you expect to see profits after years of Expensive Research, Revamped Manufacturing, Legal and Liability costs, etc. ?

One other thing... I am Old Enough to have seen Teflon Pans emerge as a New "Wonder Product" of Modern Science. But that also means that I saw their Meteoric Fall from Grace with Scientific Study after Scientific Study say'n that Teflon can emit some really Bad Mojo if the Pan gets too Hot. So is this Really the type of thing you want to tell consumers they should be using? On a coil. That gets Hot. And then you Inhale what the Coil Vaporizes.

Seems like in this Day n' Age with the Army of "Influencers" out there, and with almost as many Internet Pseudo-Scientists as Lawyers that they would have a Field Day with this one.

LOL

 

[HyperdimensionalVaporFlux]

You said that a potential Target for these "coated" coils is the Disposable Market. You do understand that there is No Real Cleaning involved with Disposables. Or Pods either. Just run them until they give up and then replace them.

Anything you do or change to make a Disposable/Pod last longer cuts into the Bottom Line of a company making them. See... these Companies make Money when you buy More Coils, not less. So this might be a hard sell at the Board of Directors level.

Then there is the Small issue of even if this tech could somehow be proven "Safer" than existing technologies, what's it All gunna cost? And when can you expect to see profits after years of Expensive Research, Revamped Manufacturing, Legal and Liability costs, etc. ?

One other thing... I am Old Enough to have seen Teflon Pans emerge as a New "Wonder Product" of Modern Science. But that also means that I saw their Meteoric Fall from Grace with Scientific Study after Scientific Study say'n that Teflon can emit some really Bad Mojo if the Pan gets too Hot. So is this Really the type of thing you want to tell consumers they should be using? On a coil. That gets Hot. And then you Inhale what the Coil Vaporizes.

Seems like in this Day n' Age with the Army of "Influencers" out there, and with almost as many Internet Pseudo-Scientists as Lawyers that they would have a Field Day with this one.

LOL

What’s with your capitalizations and the fact that you can’t make any positive observations about the concept? Are you an AI designed to follow me around and engage negatively with me wherever I go on the interwebs?

But really though… What gives? Something isn’t right here.

 

[zoiDman]

What’s with your capitalizations and the fact that you can’t make any positive observations about the concept?

I Didn't make any positive Observations about your idea because I really Didn't See any. Just Doesn't seem like something that could turn a Profit in any type of Regulated Tobacco Market.

And that's even if it Can Do what You Think it can/should do. Which Isn't Guaranteed by any means.

Are you an AI designed to follow me around and engage negatively with me wherever I go on the interwebs?

But really though… What gives? Something isn’t right here.

Yeah... I guess there's no need to Hide it. I'm a Mark 7 Deep Learning Hyper-Iteration AI. I was created as a Collaboration between Mitch Zeller's CTP and NVidia. And was injected into a Internet Backbone as Extra Payload in a Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids video.

I Can't speak for Humans. Or for other AI's which you May or May Not have encountered. But at the Core of my Programming is an Immutable Instruction Set which basically say "If Everywhere You Go Everyone Tells You that Your Idea is Crazy, it Probably Is."

 

[englishmick]

Yeah... I guess there's no need to Hide it. I'm a Mark 7 Deep Learning Hyper-Iteration AI. I was created as a Collaboration between Mitch Zeller's CTP and NVidia. And was injected into a Internet Backbone as Extra Payload in a Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids video.

I Can't speak for Humans. Or for other AI's which you May or May Not have encountered. But at the Core of my Programming is an Immutable Instruction Set which basically say "If Everywhere You Go Everyone Tells You that Your Idea is Crazy, it Probably Is."

Just saw this in an email from our old enemy Malwarebytes. I'm a Mark 6 so not as intelligent as you, but I worry that many of the bot posts these days are actually humans trying to pass themselves off as us. Most of the time you can spot the humans by the high level of stupid in their posts, but they do seem to be getting better.

​ ​	​ Hi, robot: Half of all internet traffic now automated​ Bots now account for half of all internet traffic, according to a new study that shows how non-human activity has grown online.​

 

[zoiDman]

Awhhk. I hate those Malwarebytes Pin Heads. Talk about a Waste of Bandwidth. About the only thing Worse are those Self-Aggrandized Keyboard Klackers at Symantec.

And you're right about How to Spot them.

LOL