E-Liquid without alcohol?

[mudal]

Hi guys,

1st day vaping here. Im actually quite excited about the prospect of quitting analogues but have had a mixed reaction with the first day of vaping. Now heres the deal, I was reading through other posts (doing as much research as i can) and I found out that the e-liquids have alcohol in them PG & VG!! (researched the actual PV's without looking at the e-liquids!)

Could not find much on non alcoholic e-liquids. Does anyone know of any that do this?

I will carry on with some more research, so using this thread as one method.

As a muslim, I cannot go on vaping unless I can find non alcoholic mixes. This will be a big bummer if I cant use vaping as a method to quit altogether! (my ultimate goal)

Thank you for any responses!!

 

[flbutterfly1]

The alcohol is used to dilute some oil based flavoring, and to also some use it to give throat hit. If you make your own eliquid you can be sure there is no alc. in your flavoring and also in the nicotine base. You should look into the DIY are of the forum.

 

[permafrying]

pg & vg arent alcohol?

 

[Nomoreash]

Not all mixes will have alcohol in them. If you're unsure ask the vendor before you purchase. I don't think you're going to get a recipe from them but they should be able to let you know which mixes contain alcohol and which don't.

 

[mudal]

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Chemically speaking, anything ending in -ol is going to be an "alcohol." Artificial sugars, propylene glycol, glycerol... are all "alcohols". The alcohol your dad needs to watch for is ethyl or ethanol. (Ethyl being a natural gas product and ethanol being a starch product i.e. corn or wheat, etc). All this means is that the structure of the molecule is a series of carbon and hydrogen i.e.:


Propylene glycol is basically a composition derived from the combination of propanol and glycerol. The vegetable "glycerin" we know of is just the complex alcohol composition of glycerol. This can be related to oxygen i.e. O1 (elemental oxygen), 02 (oxygen gas), or 03 (ozone). Same stuff, more complex composition.

Even if a cartridge did contain ethanol, a full cartridge only contains 1ml (penstyle), .5 ml (mini), or .25 ml (super mini). So, even if your dad was to consume an entire cartridge in a sitting, he would not be able to discern any alcohol taste or feel. (As an example, typical moutwash contains 10-20% alcohol. This would mean that in the 15-20ml gulp you use to wash your mouth would contain as much as 2ml of alcohol... double the full capacity of the largest cartridge.)

Hope this helps."


This is a post made by a member from a couple of years ago. From this I can see that PG & VG are in fact alcohol!

Does anyone think it can be done with these ingrediants?

 

[swedishfish]

It's certainly a valid concern.

I found a couple threads for you-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/63817-alcohol-content.html

 

[AlmightyGod]

Virtually all flavorings contain alcohol.

 

[Nightseer]

pg & vg arent alcohol?

no .

 

[permafrying]

lol learn something new everyday
but isnt the religion concerned about the use of ethanol alcohol? as in drinking...

 

[swedishfish]

Here's a couple more links

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-alcohol-free-e-liquids-there-such-thing.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-pg-vg-have-any-alcohol-animal-extracts.html

 

[dormouse]

Lots of flavorings are in PG, not alcohol

PG and VG are glycerins

But sometimes when juices are mixed a bit of alcohol is added for TH or to thin high VG juices

I'm sure you can get juice without alcohol. Just ask some smaller juice vendors like Vaperite and Backwoods Brew and PureVapes and Velvet Vapors etc.

Many many flavors have no alcohol in them. They usually only have alcohol is the flavoring needs it to be dissolved. And the smaller juice makers should be able to tell you which if any juices have alcohol and mix you up juices with none.

 

[Ande]

To answer your question- Some juices may contain alcohol. (Meaning the kind of alcohol that Muslim custom and practice forbids.) Many do not contain any of said alcohol, though.

On the other hand, propylene glycol is an alcohol, chemically speaking, but not the kind we think of as alcohol. Meaning that it belongs to a scientific category called alcohols. It's NOT ethyl alcohol, which is generally what the Muslim religion doesn't allow. (Ethyl alcohol is the active ingredient, and intoxicant in wine, whiskey, beer, and all alcoholic beverages. I think there's reasonable basis for understanding the Q'uran prohibition to apply to alcoholic beverages as intoxicants, but not to non-intoxicating uses of other unrelated alcohols, such as PVs or hygiene and cleaning.)

You could discuss this with a religious leader, I think, but I'd be VERY surprised if your spiritual advisor says anything against propylene glycol. It isn't an intoxicant, at all. It isn't related to alcoholic beverages, and its use in PVs has nothing to do with alcoholic beverages, intoxication, or anything mentioned in the Q'uran that I know of.

That said, VG is NOT an alcohol, as I understand it. So if you decide that even the word alcohol (though in this context it means something complete different) is something to avoid, then use VG only juices. Less throat hit, though. ;-)

Best,
Ande

PS- I'm not a Muslim, or a chemist. Spend a lot of time with both, though, and read a lot. If I'm wrong on the chemistry, or the theology, everybody feel free to jump in. But I'm pretty sure of this...

 

[Iluvthearmy]

I spent a good amount of time with iraqi interpreters over seas, and what I was told on the subject was that alcohol was originally looked down upon because it weakened a persons drive to resist evil. So just from my very limited knowledge on the subject, I think that obsessing over the alcohol in pg/vg may be splitting hairs. The grain alcohol that is used to cut some pre-made liquids would be the stuff to worry over. like a prevous poster said, just give diy a shot and avoid the risk....plus it's just plain fun.

 

[swedishfish]

Velvet Vapors will make your juice to order and if you contact them they do intl. shipping. I've never ordered from them but they do have a lot of options. Send them an email.

http://www.velvetvapors.com

Good luck!

edit: if that link doesn't work, just google Velvet Vapors

 

[Astatine]

glycerin and glycerol are two words that designate the same thing. PG and VG have two different origins but both belong to the same chemical family called alcohol. From what I understand, they are the basic ingredients in all the e juices.

This being said, a lot of molecules from the alcohol chemical family do not fall under the designation alcohol in the common language (who thinks of cholesterol as "an alcohol"?). I do believe that the religious designation of alcohol relates to ethyl alcohol (the kind that makes you drunk).

It is worth following Ande's suggestion of discussing it with your spiritual guide if you feel uncomfortable.

 

[cookiebun]

Velvet Vapors will make your juice to order and if you contact them they do intl. shipping. I've never ordered from them but they do have a lot of options. Send them an email.

Velvet Vapors - Home

Good luck!

edit: if that link doesn't work, just google Velvet Vapors

I've ordered from Velvet Vapors a few times. Great juice, great service.

 

[BuffaloX]

As a muslim, I cannot go on vaping unless I can find non alcoholic mixes.

I'm an Atheist, but I think it's pretty obvious that when the Koran mentions alcohol, it was not meant in the chemical sense that include pg/vg liquids. If you want to go to such extremes, you couldn't eat most things containing any fat. From WHO:

Glycerol occurs naturally in varied combined forms as a simple,
mixed or complex glyceride in association with fatty acids.

That btw. includes both animal and plant fat.
Also you couldn't eat most of the stuff you buy at the supermarket, because the food industry use it a lot. You would also be prevented from using many kinds of medicine.

 

[dormouse]

Is this any help?

36 Glycerine Moistness Mashbuh

63 Propylene glycol Emulsifying agent; solvent Halal

So PG is Halal
http://muslimvillage.com/forums/topic/4462-important-halal-and-haram-list-and-codes/

 

[CBB]

It depends on your interpretation of the Koran, as I understand it intoxicants are forbidden because they cloud the ind and interfere with the personal relationship with Allah.

PG and VG are alcohols but not intoxicants, but caffeine, nicotine, and nutmeg all are intoxicants though as far as I know aren't disallowed Muslims.

 

[BOBAH]

you always can mix own juice, just get pg, vg, 36mg or whatever base and aromatic concentrate and there you go