coil building beginner

[vapingpilot21]

Hello to everyone,
I am new to coil building and somewhere somehow I am doing something wrong. I am using Ni80 30ga by vandy vape. These are my Steam Engine calculations but after I get to build the coil, my mod (geek vape aegis max) reads it at around 0.5-0.6Ω and even 0.374. Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance.

 

[zoiDman]

Hi vapingpilot21. Welcome to the ECF.

Are you running a Dual Coil Atomizer by any chance?

Because when you run Dual Coils, it cuts the Ohms in Half for an Individual Coil.

 

[zoiDman]

Hello to everyone,
I am new to coil building and somewhere somehow I am doing something wrong. I am using Ni80 30ga by vandy vape. These are my Steam Engine calculations but after I get to build the coil, my mod (geek vape aegis max) reads it at around 0.5-0.6Ω and even 0.374. Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance.View attachment 948933

BTW - When you say your are using 30ga Ni80, it is a Plain, one piece of Single Wire. Right?

 

[vapingpilot21]

Hi vapingpilot21. Welcome to the ECF.

Are you running a Dual Coil Atomizer by any chance?

Because when you run Dual Coils, it cuts the Ohms in Half for an Individual Coil.

no its a single coil pioneer by bp

 

[vapingpilot21]

BTW - When you say your are using 30ga Ni80, it is a Plain, one piece of Single Wire. Right?

no it is clapton and propably thats why I am getting wrong calculations at steam engine. Thanks for your replies though!

 

[zoiDman]

no it is clapton and propably thats why I am getting wrong calculations at steam engine. Thanks for your replies though!

I had a Feeling it was going to be One or the Other.

I Don't have a ton of Experience doing Clapton builds. I'm more of a Single Wire guy. But try the "Wire Wizard" on the Steam Engine site.

Wire wizard | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[AvaOrchid]

The minute I saw 30 gauge I realized that there's something wrong here. You're not going to be able to work with a single 30 gauge wire as the only part of a coil It's going to be very very fragile. And then it made a lot of sense once you said that it was a Clapton. So on the packaging of the spool of wire there should be a description of what it is It's usually a lot of numbers with a clapton it's going to be at least two numbers and the numbers reference what's on the inside and what's on the outside as well. I'm guessing that the 30 gauge wire is what something else is wrapped with. If you can take a picture of the label that's on the spool that would be nice and maybe even the wire itself. When you input it into your building app you're going to want to select Clapton on steam engine & probably other apps as well and how many wires are inside And what size they are and then add that the outside wire is 30 gauge at least that's what I imagine is happening.

 

[zoiDman]

The minute I saw 30 gauge I realized that there's something wrong here. You're not going to be able to work with a single 30 gauge wire as the only part of a coil It's going to be very very fragile. And then it made a lot of sense once you said that it was a Clapton. So on the packaging of the spool of wire there should be a description of what it is It's usually a lot of numbers with a clapton it's going to be at least two numbers and the numbers reference what's on the inside and what's on the outside as well. I'm guessing that the 30 gauge wire is what something else is wrapped with. If you can take a picture of the label that's on the spool that would be nice and maybe even the wire itself. When you input it into your building app you're going to want to select Clapton on steam engine & probably other apps as well and how many wires are inside And what size they are and then add that the outside wire is 30 gauge at least that's what I imagine is happening.

I've done Many 3mm 30ga NiChrome 80 Single Wire Builds. In fact, that is all I used when I 1st going into Rebuildables way back in the day.

But your are Right, 30ga makes for a Flimsy Coil. 28ga (or 26ga) SS is SO MUCH Nicer to work with.

 

[AvaOrchid]

I've done Many 3mm 30ga NiChrome 80 Single Wire Builds. In fact, that is all I used when I 1st going into Rebuildables way back in the day.

But your are Right, 30ga makes for a Flimsy Coil. 28ga (or 26ga) SS is SO MUCH Nicer to work with.

I mean it's definitely possible but it's not what I think of when I think of beginner friendly I guess lol I think I started on 28... Which isn't a whole lot better but I do find a difference. But yeah you're right you absolutely can use 30 gauge And I bet you never had any trouble wicking and building after you learned on that lol you hit the ground running!

 

[AvaOrchid]

The minute I saw 30 gauge I realized that there's something wrong here. You're not going to be able to work with a single 30 gauge wire as the only part of a coil It's going to be very very fragile. And then it made a lot of sense once you said that it was a Clapton. So on the packaging of the spool of wire there should be a description of what it is It's usually a lot of numbers with a clapton it's going to be at least two numbers and the numbers reference what's on the inside and what's on the outside as well. I'm guessing that the 30 gauge wire is what something else is wrapped with. If you can take a picture of the label that's on the spool that would be nice and maybe even the wire itself. When you input it into your building app you're going to want to select Clapton on steam engine & probably other apps as well and how many wires are inside And what size they are and then add that the outside wire is 30 gauge at least that's what I imagine is happening.

I did want to edit this after zoid so kindly pointed something out. You can work with a 30 gauge wire and many people do. It's not that it can't work it's just that it's a little bit difficult because the wire is so thin. And then when I saw what it was reading that's when I determined there had to be something wrong because to get that thin of a wire to read at .30 etc is not what you would normally see. So you can use 30 gauge on its own but it's just difficult especially for a new user.

 

[vapingpilot21]

sooo after a little bit of research I figured exactly what you told me. After that I went out, bought a 26ga kanthal a1 which was perfect for steam engines' calculator and I got at 1.6Ohms on my second try. Thank you all for your advices. Another thing I assume I am doing is that I mess with wetting the cotton. I believe that I am wetting to much and I am flooding the coils. However I believe that it also has to do with not wicking enough the actual cotton... I am loving the whole process though.

 

[zoiDman]

I mean it's definitely possible but it's not what I think of when I think of beginner friendly I guess lol I think I started on 28... Which isn't a whole lot better but I do find a difference. But yeah you're right you absolutely can use 30 gauge And I bet you never had any trouble wicking and building after you learned on that lol you hit the ground running!

By the time that SS Hit the scene, it felt like Cheating using it having started with Very Thin NiChrome 80.

And once I found MKWS Pre-Coiled Coils on Fasttech, it was Game Over for winding NI80.

 

[zoiDman]

sooo after a little bit of research I figured exactly what you told me. After that I went out, bought a 26ga kanthal a1 which was perfect for steam engines' calculator and I got at 1.6Ohms on my second try. Thank you all for your advices. Another thing I assume I am doing is that I mess with wetting the cotton. I believe that I am wetting to much and I am flooding the coils. However I believe that it also has to do with not wicking enough the actual cotton... I am loving the whole process though.

Good Deal.

Learning to do Builds is more of a Process than an event. Sure, you can learn Most of the Mechanics in an Afternoon. But finding what you like Best for a given Atomizer will take some Experimentation. But that can be the Fun Part also.

BTW - Next time you are ordering stuff, pick up a small spool of 26 and 28ga SS Wire. Hard to go wrong using SS in my mind. And a small spool probably cost Less than a Pack of Smokes.

 

[vapingpilot21]

Good Deal.

Learning to do Builds is more of a Process than an event. Sure, you can learn Most of the Mechanics in an Afternoon. But finding what you like Best for a given Atomizer will take some Experimentation. But that can be the Fun Part also.

BTW - Next time you are ordering stuff, pick up a small spool of 26 and 28ga SS Wire. Hard to go wrong using SS in my mind. And a small spool probably cost Less than a Pack of Smokes.

exactly, those smoking days are over!

 

[BrotherBob]

Hello to everyone,

Welcome and glad you joined.

 

[vapingpilot21]

Welcome and glad you joined.

thank you

 

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[Katya]

Welcome aboard and good luck!