Built-in battery mods at 200W?

[MRVaporizer]

Hello,

So I've been checking these built in battery mods for some time and came across these ones:
Wismec Sinuous FJ200 // 200W
smok V Fin // 160W
eleaf iKuun i200 // 200W

The numbers are pretty hard to believe in my opinion.
The smok V Fin claims to have 8000mAh, but that is out of the question since Mooch proved that it is barely 3400mAh and rated it around 12-16A, even though they claim to achieve 200W?
The question is:
Won't these mods just explode in my face if I ever try to vape at their limits?

 

[Eskie]

Don't know anything about Mooch's review. These mods usually use internal Lipo batteries. They're built and rated differently than our usual 18650s. You can get a Lipo that's rated 1300 mAh (which in reality is per Lipo "cell" in the pack, so it runs more like "3000 mAh" performance runtime we're used to)but is in a 3S battery configuration that will deliver over 11V and can easily do 200W. Similar to Lipo packs used for RCs or drones. Folks who use those are a lot more familiar with their rating characteristics than I am. Without a tear down to know what's inside you have up trust the manufacturer for the rating of what the integrated battery can do.

 

[MRVaporizer]

Don't know anything about Mooch's review. These mods usually use internal Lipo batteries. They're built and rated differently than our usual 18650s. You can get a Lipo that's rated 1300 mAh (which in reality is per Lipo "cell" in the pack, so it runs more like "3000 mAh" performance runtime we're used to)but is in a 3S battery configuration that will deliver over 11V and can easily do 200W. Similar to Lipo packs used for RCs or drones. Folks who use those are a lot more familiar with their rating characteristics than I am. Without a tear down to know what's inside you have up trust the manufacturer for the rating of what the integrated battery can do.

I guess that explains quite everything! Thanks! I own The Procolor and have a some batteries. Wanted to buy a more "fit" mod with an internal battery. From your personal perspective, would you recommend buying an internal-battery mod? I am thinking about iStick Pico, iJust 3, and those high wattage mods mentioned above.

 

[Eskie]

I'm really not familiar with built in battery mods these days. The only one I am familiar with is the Kroma, a d that's because it pairs great with the Zenith tank for a new vaper looking at mtl. I know it doesn't do 200W. As a point of interest, it's also the first mod to receive certification from UL for meeting their safety standards. So we likely will see more integrated battery mods released just to get that certification as anything with a user replaceable loose battery cannot meet the requirements. Maybe someone will come up with some sort of swappable battery pack like for a cordless drill or more like your camera to get around the how to use it if you run the battery down and can't charge it problem.

The only reason I have a clue on this is because I have a Lost Vape Effusion Duo, not made anymore. The Duo comes from the fact that the box itself uses a DNA 200 board but allows you to swap a 2 battery sled, which with 18650s will allow for 133W on that board, or a 3S 1300 mAh Lipo pack (turns out in the RC and drone crowd to be a popular style) that the board can deliver 200W as the voltage from the pack is higher than what 2 18650s can supply.

Edit: oh and that 1300 mAh thing? It runs much longer than you would think from "1300mAh". More like 2 decent 18650s. I know there's ab actual way to calculate it out for accuracy rather than a "seems like" but my knowledge at that point falls apart and I'd rely on folks who know what they're talking about like Mooch to explain the differences and why they perform the way they do and why that sort of spec is used on these packs rather than what we're used to. I do know it is about the number of "cells" contained in the pack but I don't know the physical construction of it to give you something I'm not just making up.

 

[MRVaporizer]

I'm really not familiar with built in battery mods these days. The only one I am familiar with is the Kroma, a d that's because it pairs great with the Zenith tank for a new vaper looking at mtl. I know it doesn't do 200W. As a point of interest, it's also the first mod to receive certification from UL for meeting their safety standards. So we likely will see more integrated battery mods released just to get that certification as anything with a user replaceable loose battery cannot meet the requirements. Maybe someone will come up with some sort of swappable battery pack like for a cordless drill or more like your camera to get around the how to use it if you run the battery down and can't charge it problem.

The only reason I have a clue on this is because I have a Lost Vape Effusion Duo, not made anymore. The Duo comes from the fact that the box itself uses a DNA 200 board but allows you to swap a 2 battery sled, which with 18650s will allow for 133W on that board, or a 3S 1300 mAh Lipo pack (turns out in the RC and drone crowd to be a popular style) that the board can deliver 200W as the voltage from the pack is higher than what 2 18650s can supply.

Hmm, interesting facts, and thank you for the explanation! I am definitely approving the built-in batteries, since from a safety standpoint, I know a lot of people, who buy random batteries and try vaping at 220W.
As a matter of fact, I got my friend the Alien 220W with the Drop, explained basic safety measures, like the battery CDR's, coil building, wattages, ohms law etc. Then he showed the mod to his friends, but they said it was the "worst" mod, cause "it explodes". The guy put random batteries and tried vaping at 220W. I really don't know why people risk their lives and use devices they know nothing about.
Well I guess the built-in battery mods are coming and I'll just buy one too.

 

[Eskie]

I don't think there's anything inherently more dangerous in using replaceable batteries. There is dangerous improper,stupid use. The chemistry of these batteries is actually safer than a Lipo which can go into thermal runaway at lower temperatures, and replaceable Lipo packs are basically soft, allowing them to be made to easily fit different firm factors, but are also more susceptible to puncture as they're essentially a plastic pouch. Of course that's on Lipos out of the box mod.

Why anyone would even want to vape at 220W is beyond me. Sure my multibattery mods can do 200W, but I rarely use them over 40W and an basically a temp control vaper. The extra batteries are for runtime, not high wattage.

 

[MRVaporizer]

I don't think there's anything inherently more dangerous in using replaceable batteries. There is dangerous improper,stupid use. The chemistry of these batteries is actually safer than a Lipo which can go into thermal runaway at lower temperatures, and replaceable Lipo packs are basically soft, allowing them to be made to easily fit different firm factors, but are also more susceptible to puncture as they're essentially a plastic pouch. Of course that's on Lipos out of the box mod.

Ahh, well I guess the future will only show us, but I must say, the 18650's can really take a beating, since I know poeple who vape 150W on 25r's. The moment my friend told me that I almost lost my mind, since I'm not going outside the CDR of my 25r's.

Why anyone would even want to vape at 220W is beyond me. Sure my multibattery mods can do 200W, but I rarely use them over 40W and an basically a temp control vaper. The extra batteries are for runtime, not high wattage.

People I have come across, who have no idea about vaping, and own powerful devices, tend to think that, if you want to have a lot of clouds, you have to vape at max wattages. I once said I'm vaping my Procolor at .2 ohms and 66W, and his reaction was like: "What? 66W? Omg ur device is so bad, I vape my Baby Q4's at 150W!". Tried explaining him, but he wasn't just interested. Thankfully people, who buy Dual battery mods from me, listen to everything I say and now they're vaping dual Clapton RDA's with not exceeding the CDR and understanding that clouds won't be a lot bigger if you vape at 220W.

 

[Eskie]

It's tough for folks to grasp that if you want bigger clouds get bigger lungs. I agree with you that building and marketing these things with power ratings so high suggests to people they need to vape with it that high. Once you explain that's not how it works they'll get all upset about why they spent money on something that they "can't get everything that they paid for".

 

[MRVaporizer]

It's tough for folks to grasp that if you want bigger clouds get bigger lungs. I agree with you that building and marketing these things with power ratings so high suggests to people they need to vape with it that high. Once you explain that's not how it works they'll get all upset about why they spent money on something that they "can't get everything that they paid for".

I agree. Well we've all been at that place before. I remember the time when I wanted to upgrade from my iJust 2, I couldn't get over the fact, that I can't vape 200W for a whole week. But I guess this is just normal. Our duty is to make people aware of vaping safety.

 

[RayofLight62]

I have the V-Fin. It is too big for any use.
The V-Fin uses two 3.7 V 3000 mah 26650 cells in series, if you open the mod they are clearly labeled as such.

If you imagine them in parallel, like many manufacturers do (for a reason that I cannot grasp) - that would be 6000 mah, way less than the 8000 mah claimed.

The V-Fin is ok up to 120 W. Above that, the runtime is badly shortened. The max power is limited to 160 W anyway.

Again, it is not a mod that I would recommend, too bulky and not enough power.

The V-Fin should have been triple 1500 mah battery IMO, like eLeaf made almost two years ago with the iStick 200 QC. The mod was excellent, but the batteries less so.

 

[MRVaporizer]

I have the V-Fin. It is too big for any use.
The V-Fin uses two 3.7 V 3000 mah 26650 cells in series, if you open the mod they are clearly labeled as such.

If you imagine them in parallel, like many manufacturers do (for a reason that I cannot grasp) - that would be 6000 mah, way less than the 8000 mah claimed.

The V-Fin is ok up to 120 W. Above that, the runtime is badly shortened. The max power is limited to 160 W anyway.

Again, it is not a mod that I would recommend, too bulky and not enough power.

The V-Fin should have been triple 1500 mah battery IMO, like eLeaf made almost two years ago with the iStick 200 QC. The mod was excellent, but the batteries less so.

Hmm, interesting, thank you for the information! Gonna skip this mod for now.