Best coils for regulated with fast ramp?

The60WattGUY

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Hey guys,

Quick question if i want good performance fast ramping coils for regulated mods i want thinner coils right?
I see here 26gx2 + 40g ,outer is 40g so these are thin?
Are these good for regulated or are they more for mechs?
Or do i need a coil with both thin inner and outer diameter?
Something like 30gx2 + 38g?
What kind of coils work best for regulated?
Im looking at Wotofos dual fused clapton .38 comes out at .19-.20 dual coils which i want but is 26gx2 + 40g these are good?
I also see 30gx2 + 38g but resistance is higher not sure what will perform better...
Any advise?
 

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25AWG flat wire, Ni80 or HW6015.

It'll allow you to create coils with a large surface area, but without the increased mass of a complex coil. As the more mass to the coil or coils you have @The60WattGUY, the lower the resistance and longer the ramp.

3mm ID and 5½ wraps I'd think is a good starting point. If it's too warm loose a wrap, it'll also increase resistance.
 
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25AWG flat wire, Ni80 or HW6015.

It'll allow you to create coils with a large surface area, but without the increased mass of a complex coil. As the more mass to the coil or coils you have @The60WattGUY, the lower the resistance and longer the ramp.

3mm ID and 5½ wraps I'd think is a good starting point. If it's too warm loose a wrap, it'll also increase resistance.
Ok i already ordered the 26g x2 + 40g premade wotofo coils they were cheap so no biggie these are OK too for regulated or are these more for mechs?
I heard the thicker coils like this one is being 26gx2 are best for mechs but im not sure lol its confusing because the outer is rather thin being 40g
Do i want a mix of both so thin outer and and thin inner? Something like 30gx2 + 38g or something?

Ill order 25g plain nic 80 wire along with it but i do want to give exotic coils a chance still too
 

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25AWG "flat wire" is what you'll want to order, not plain round wire.

But building for atomisers is kind of awkward @The60WattGUY, as everyone requires a different build to get the best out of them.

But with complex coils it gets more awkward, as you've got to account for the core wire or wires and the outer wrapping wire or wires. Also they tend to gunk up quickly and are not so easy to clean.
 

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    If you're interested in trying ribbon wire which is definitely going to ramp up fast and is also a great wire it would definitely depend on how many watts you plan on vaping at. I use Ni80 ribbon wire which has a very fast ramp up. My wire is 0.2mm×0.8mm and I vape at 23 watts. You wouldn't want to vape with this gauge wire at much over 35 watts. You can get yourself a slightly thicker gauge ribbon wire if you're a higher wattage vaper :thumb:
    And if you're a higher wattage vaper at say closer to the 100 watt mark then I would recommend completely giving a straight ribbon wire build a miss and getting a nice framed staple clapton wire.
     
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    I like my vape between 60-100w area...
    So i take it thick coils like 26gx2 + 40g is OK for regulated?
    Ill give flat nic 80 a try as well...
    But if i want lets say dual fused claptons on a regulated mod what sizes would u go for,for best performance?
    Around 60-100w mark
    I like a big dense vape so 20-30watts aint gonna cut it
     
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    I like my vape between 60-100w area...
    So i take it thick coils like 26gx2 + 40g is OK for regulated?
    Ill give flat nic 80 a try as well...
    But if i want lets say dual fused claptons on a regulated mod what sizes would u go for,for best performance?
    Around 60-100w mark
    I like a big dense vape so 20-30watts aint gonna cut it

    At that wattage you definitely want the larger gauge fused Clapton's, a 30*2/38 even in dual coils may not be enough. The 26*2/40 will be fine in a regulated.

    For faster ramp, choose ni80 coils/wire. Also a tricore fused clapton eg 28*3/38 will ramp up faster than the dual fused clapton, and have more surface area
     

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    I like my vape between 60-100w area...
    So i take it thick coils like 26gx2 + 40g is OK for regulated?
    Ill give flat nic 80 a try as well...
    But if i want lets say dual fused claptons on a regulated mod what sizes would u go for,for best performance?
    Around 60-100w mark
    I like a big dense vape so 20-30watts aint gonna cut it

    That's a difficult question to really answer when it comes to complex coils, as you may well need to look at coils being built to your preference.

    Personally I'd be thinking of trying to find out what resistance and mass works with the rebuildable first.
     

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    At that wattage you definitely want the larger gauge fused Clapton's, a 30*2/38 even in dual coils may not be enough. The 26*2/40 will be fine in a regulated.

    For faster ramp, choose ni80 coils/wire. Also a tricore fused clapton eg 28*3/38 will ramp up faster than the dual fused clapton, and have more surface area
    Alright thanks larger gauge does that mean thicker or thinner wire lol
    So 26g*2/40 is a larger gauge then 30g*2/40 ? Right?
    I already ordered the dual fused next time ill try those tricores
     
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    As the AWG number increases @The60WattGUY, the wire diameter decreases and resistance increases.
    Ah ok but the other guy above said i would want the larger gauge coils cause the 30g*2 x 38 might not work as well than 26g*2 x 40 but isnt the the 30g one larger? Lmao confusing
    Thanks for helping me understand all of this cuz eventually i want to jump over to mechs so i need to kno this for now i use regulated till im 100% understanding all of it
     

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    The 30AWG × 2 core is the smaller gauge.

    26AWG × 2 core with the wrapping wire/wires is going to be more mass than a 25AWG round or flat wire.

    As I've said before @The60WattGUY, tools on steam engine will give you some ideas to begin with to trial.

    One of the simplest complex coils you can get is twisted wire, and you can use any simple round wire to make it. It may not have the surface area you'd like, but it'll give you a better idea of the mass you'll need to work with.
     
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    Ah ok but the other guy above said i would want the larger gauge coils cause the 30g*2 x 38 might not work as well than 26g*2 x 40 but isnt the the 30g one larger? Lmao confusing
    Thanks for helping me understand all of this cuz eventually i want to jump over to mechs so i need to kno this for now i use regulated till im 100% understanding all of it


    What those gage numbers tell you is the gauge of each wire used, ie 26g*2 x 40 is two 26g wires twisted together then wrapped with a 40g wire. It is certain to be bigger than the 30g*2 x 38, because even though the wrapping wire is thinner the core wires are thicker (two 26 wires vs two 30g wires). Remember the smaller the number the bigger the wire. The thicker the overall wire (cores and wraps) the lower the resistance. Unfortunately it usually isn't indicated the gauge of the overall complex wire, but the ohms for a given length is usually written on the spool. You can tell the overall bigger wire by the lower ohms (lower resistance) per unit of measurement (usually centimeters).

    I hope this is as clear as muddy water.
     
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    One more question to finding the sweet spot , did some research alot people say see at what wattage of your coil is 4-4.2volts but i think i find my sweet spot but its near 5v does that matter or nah my device does state its up to 8.4 tho but being 5v im not letting it get to hot?
    It does have alot of airflow tho using tengu rda with honneycomb airflow fully open

    And thanks guys i learned alot finally getting it
     

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    One more question to finding the sweet spot , did some research alot people say see at what wattage of your coil is 4-4.2volts but i think i find my sweet spot but its near 5v does that matter or nah my device does state its up to 8.4 tho but being 5v im not letting it get to hot?
    It does have alot of airflow tho using tengu rda with honneycomb airflow fully open

    And thanks guys i learned alot finally getting it


    The sweet spot for you isn't necessarily the sweet spot for me. I don't even worry about volts, as I use regulated mods. The only time you need to concern yourself over the details is with a mech mod, and that's more for battery safety than for vaping style. In addition to your research, you should try different setups and find what's best for you. If you use a regulated mod, it won't let you get past the tolerances of your batteries. It will tell you if the resistance of your coil is too low, or if you got a short. If the vape is too hot for you, then vut down the wattage or change your coil to something different, and keep notes on what you have tried and how it works for you.
     

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    The sweet spot for you isn't necessarily the sweet spot for me. I don't even worry about volts, as I use regulated mods. The only time you need to concern yourself over the details is with a mech mod, and that's more for battery safety than for vaping style. In addition to your research, you should try different setups and find what's best for you. If you use a regulated mod, it won't let you get past the tolerances of your batteries. It will tell you if the resistance of your coil is too low, or if you got a short. If the vape is too hot for you, then vut down the wattage or change your coil to something different, and keep notes on what you have tried and how it works for you.
    Ah yea make sense also as i understand some coils also heat up quicker you might have a coil that heats up and gives you a good hit at like 3.7 but for me with massive coil can take 5v to get the same typ of vape, i guess its about airflow too, but yea i mainly use watts just wanted to see what volts my sweetspot was and got little nervous since its 5v but i guess that doesnt even matter but thanks guys i think i kno enough for now, not gonna make the jump to mechs just yet tho but will eventually ,or mechs are bit outdated now?
    Dont see stores selling them much anymore or people using them is it cuz of safetey reasons?
     
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