Batterys for the smok cloud beast

[Smudge77]

Hi all,
just joined, and was looking for some advice on new batterys for my smok alien 220w atm the ones ive got with my mod are Genuine Samsung INR IMR 18650 High Drain 3.7 25R 2500mAh 20 35A Battery | eBay
which i got when i brought the mod along with this charger Genuine Efest Soda Charger Two Bay Without Box But Brand New | eBay,(both not from e-bay but the shop i brought the mod from)i just brought the smok cloud beast tank with the tfv12 coils and the tfv14 coils, so ill be vapeing at 100+watts and these will just not cut it,ive seen mooch's table chart but batterys arnt my thing, ive heard the VTC4s, LGHG2s, and the Samsung 30Qs are what i need ? im wanting 2 diffrent ones as i normaly vape at 55w on the baby beast, and now i want to try the big tfv12 +tf14, im from the uk so shops here will help me alot

thank you in advance for taking time reading my post

 

[IMFire3605]

Battery Suppliers UK/EU

Fogstar (Fogstar - The UK's #1 trusted source of 18650 Batteries) UK
Batteries plus (http://batteriesplus.co.uk/) UK
Nkon (NKON | eu.nkon.nl) Netherlands

The 25R's or any 20amp CDR batteries, the 30Q's just wouldn't push any higher than the 25R's, in the Alien can only go up to about 100watts
130 to 140ish you'd be looking at the LG HD2, HD2C, HD4, or Sony VTC5A, all 25amp CDR
160 to 170ish you'd be looking at the LG HB2, HB4, or HB6 30amp CDR

Sorry you bought into SMOK's over-hyped stats of their higher end devices, their specs just can't perform with current battery technologies.

 

[Izan]

Hi smudge,

How to lead with regulated devices
The 25R and the 30Q are both great 20a cells. I went with the Q's for a bit more battery life.
Do you buy from Torchy?

Cheers
I

 

[Smudge77]

Battery Suppliers UK/EU

Fogstar (Fogstar - The UK's #1 trusted source of 18650 Batteries) UK
Batteries plus (http://batteriesplus.co.uk/) UK
Nkon (NKON | eu.nkon.nl) Netherlands

The 25R's or any 20amp CDR batteries, the 30Q's just wouldn't push any higher than the 25R's, in the Alien can only go up to about 100watts
130 to 140ish you'd be looking at the LG HD2, HD2C, HD4, or Sony VTC5A, all 25amp CDR
160 to 170ish you'd be looking at the LG HB2, HB4, or HB6 30amp CDR

Sorry you bought into SMOK's over-hyped stats of their higher end devices, their specs just can't perform with current battery technologies.

thanks for the quick reply, ive been looking into a 2nd mod, as most people own 2 mods just incase one gives up, im new to vapeing so i was pointed in the direction of smoks alien, im all about the clouds i love em,ive not tryed doing my own coils at this time so ive stuck to tanks, any advice on a 2nd mod to buy ? make and model ?

 

[Smudge77]

Hi smudge,

How to lead with regulated devices
The 25R and the 30Q are both great 20a cells. I went with the Q's for a bit more battery life.
Do you buy from Torchy?

Cheers
I

sorry ive never heard of them,(torchy) ive only been vaping for 3 mths now and only used the mod and batterys i was sold,

 

[Izan]

No worries,
Jim is a good guy and a trusted vendor in the UK.
Torchy battery prices


ETA: sorry, no mod advice. My REO just keeps on working.

 

[Smudge77]

No worries,
Jim is a good guy and a trusted vendor in the UK.
Torchy battery prices


ETA: sorry, no mod advice. My REO just keeps on working.

wooo i just looked up the REO which one do you have?, i like the bottle inside, as mine drinks juice, might buy one for myself

 

[Izan]

The market is awash with choices.
A decent entry level squonker can be had for less than 50£.
If you are not bothered by the wait, our friends in China can save you a bit more.
I'm still using a 2014-15 SL/LP black Anodized Grand/MantaV2 on top.
Liquid Feed APV Discussion
Squonk Porn!

Careful, the rabbit hole is VERY deep.

Cheers
I

 

[Smudge77]

Im still stuck imfire3605 post and canot make my mind up,but im looking at the LG HB2's/HB'6 for the 160w there both 1500 Mah,output, but will they be ok for my normal 55w vape, or will i be looking at diffrent ones ?

 

[Izan]

A married pair will be fine for wattage from the device minimum up to the device maximum. (battery limited, of course)
Battery marriage...needed or not? Testing starts soon.

cheers
I

 

[Eskie]

Im still stuck imfire3605 post and canot make my mind up,but im looking at the LG HB2's/HB'6 for the 160w there both 1500 Mah,output, but will they be ok for my normal 55w vape, or will i be looking at diffrent ones ?

That's the trade off. High current, lower capacity. Will they work at 55W? Of course. But you will be recharging them more frequently. If you can live with that, it's fine. Best protection for any choice is to buy 4, make 2 pairs that are used together and charged together (married) and rotate as needed. Use an external charger to charge one set while happily vaping on the other, and if you're out and about for a longish period of time, have a fully charged backup pair with you (in a plastic battery box, not loose in your pocket).

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Hi all,
just joined, and was looking for some advice on new batterys for my smok alien 220w atm the ones ive got with my mod are Genuine Samsung INR IMR 18650 High Drain 3.7 25R 2500mAh 20 35A Battery | eBay
which i got when i brought the mod along with this charger Genuine Efest Soda Charger Two Bay Without Box But Brand New | eBay,(both not from e-bay but the shop i brought the mod from)i just brought the smok cloud beast tank with the tfv12 coils and the tfv14 coils, so ill be vapeing at 100+watts and these will just not cut it,ive seen mooch's table chart but batterys arnt my thing, ive heard the VTC4s, LGHG2s, and the Samsung 30Qs are what i need ? im wanting 2 diffrent ones as i normaly vape at 55w on the baby beast, and now i want to try the big tfv12 +tf14, im from the uk so shops here will help me alot

thank you in advance for taking time reading my post

I vape anywhere from 130w to 150w with two of the LGHG2's in the Alien with the CB no problem. (other than the fact the Baby Beast is a much nicer atty for taste than the Cloud Beast) The Alien cut out when I tried to take it over I think it was 160w as I believe its max amp cutoff kicked in. You can't actually get it up to 220w's to the atty without increasing the resistance of your coil but if you do that you would never vape it at so high a wattage. It is a bit of a cheat but they all play it.

 

[IMFire3605]

Im still stuck imfire3605 post and canot make my mind up,but im looking at the LG HB2's/HB'6 for the 160w there both 1500 Mah,output, but will they be ok for my normal 55w vape, or will i be looking at diffrent ones ?

The wattage ratings are listed if you run the mod and batteries down to low battery charge. The Alien takes batteries down into the 2.8 to 2.9v per battery range where most other mods the lowest before a check battery error is about 3.0 to 3.2v, average 3.2v per battery. 0.3 to 0.4v may not sound like much but it can make drastic differences in amperage pulled from a battery, as regulated mods pull peak amps at lower voltage. You could probably push 130 to 140watts on 20amp CDR batteries, but you would be pulling the batteries for recharge at about 50% to 60% battery charge. And it is the watts that is the really deciding factor in a regulated mod, given the amp calculation formula is (Watts Set/Lowest Available Voltage/Mod Control Board Efficiency=Maximum Amps), with the Alien the voltage available range is 5.6v lowest to 8.4v full charge being a dual battery mod, most mod efficiency ratings are about 90% on average, leaving just the watts the only variable to plug in.

55watts set/5.6v/90%=10.9127amps
100watts set/5.6v/90%=19.8413amps
140watts set/7.2v/90%=21.6049amps (about 3.6v per battery charge which is about 50%)

If you really want to run that Cloud Beast you'd better off with a triple or quadruple battery mod like the Wismec RX200/RX200S or the Smok GX350, and probably the best battery to suggest knowing your application in more detail would be the Sony VTC5A (2500mah like the Samsung 25R, but 25amps CDR over the 25R's 20amp CDR), and they are a bit pricey due to limited supply and demand. The LG HB series will run fine at 55w just as well as 140 to 160w in the Alien, just remember higher the watts the more stress on a battery place and they will discharge faster, if you go the HB Series route then I'd suggest at least a 4 bay external charger and 3 pairs of the HB2, 4, or 6 due to their low mah.

 

[Smudge77]

The wattage ratings are listed if you run the mod and batteries down to low battery charge. The Alien takes batteries down into the 2.8 to 2.9v per battery range where most other mods the lowest before a check battery error is about 3.0 to 3.2v, average 3.2v per battery. 0.3 to 0.4v may not sound like much but it can make drastic differences in amperage pulled from a battery, as regulated mods pull peak amps at lower voltage. You could probably push 130 to 140watts on 20amp CDR batteries, but you would be pulling the batteries for recharge at about 50% to 60% battery charge. And it is the watts that is the really deciding factor in a regulated mod, given the amp calculation formula is (Watts Set/Lowest Available Voltage/Mod Control Board Efficiency=Maximum Amps), with the Alien the voltage available range is 5.6v lowest to 8.4v full charge being a dual battery mod, most mod efficiency ratings are about 90% on average, leaving just the watts the only variable to plug in.

55watts set/5.6v/90%=10.9127amps
100watts set/5.6v/90%=19.8413amps
140watts set/7.2v/90%=21.6049amps (about 3.6v per battery charge which is about 50%)

If you really want to run that Cloud Beast you'd better off with a triple or quadruple battery mod like the Wismec RX200/RX200S or the Smok GX350, and probably the best battery to suggest knowing your application in more detail would be the Sony VTC5A (2500mah like the Samsung 25R, but 25amps CDR over the 25R's 20amp CDR), and they are a bit pricey due to limited supply and demand. The LG HB series will run fine at 55w just as well as 140 to 160w in the Alien, just remember higher the watts the more stress on a battery place and they will discharge faster, if you go the HB Series route then I'd suggest at least a 4 bay external charger and 3 pairs of the HB2, 4, or 6 due to their low mah.

Thanks again for the replys, i was looking at that smok gx350,as my 2nd mod,untill i came accross this site Smok GX350 Kit UK, 350W Vape Kit TC Box Mod, TFV8 Tank due to eu laws its now been discontinued, and it will now not work in duel/quad battery mode ?, as for my battery's i think ill go for a pair off 25r's and a pair of sonys vtc5a, i think ill look for a new charger too, or is the efest soda ok ? the one i book marked is this on Xtar VC4 4-Bay Charger

 

[kbeam418]

Thanks again for the replys, i was looking at that smok gx350,as my 2nd mod,untill i came accross this site Smok GX350 Kit UK, 350W Vape Kit TC Box Mod, TFV8 Tank due to eu laws its now been discontinued, and it will now not work in duel/quad battery mode ?, as for my battery's i think ill go for a pair off 25r's and a pair of sonys vtc5a, i think ill look for a new charger too, or is the efest soda ok ? the one i book marked is this on Xtar VC4 4-Bay Charger

25r is one of the best batteries you can get, the vtc5a are okay batteries. I would get the vtc4 instead. Efest batteries are bad, they're chargers are considered some of the best on the market. The Xtar VC4 is a solid charger but it's very important to get a good power supply for it.

 

[djsvapour]

Thanks again for the replys, i was looking at that smok gx350,as my 2nd mod,untill i came accross this site Smok GX350 Kit UK, 350W Vape Kit TC Box Mod, TFV8 Tank due to eu laws its now been discontinued, and it will now not work in duel/quad battery mode ?, as for my battery's i think ill go for a pair off 25r's and a pair of sonys vtc5a, i think ill look for a new charger too, or is the efest soda ok ? the one i book marked is this on Xtar VC4 4-Bay Charger

Yes, that kit is not really available the UK. The mod would still be OK for multiple batteries though.
Nice price on the VC4. Are you sure it has a mains (AC) power cable. I was looking at them direct from Xtar UK (Bright ideas, Amazon) and they don't have a plug. God forbid.
There are nice priced batteries right now on nextdaybatteries.
You can thank domesticextremist on AAEC for that tip

 

[Bunnykiller]

I wonder if mods will ever get to 1000 W ???

 

[Smudge77]

25r is one of the best batteries you can get, the vtc5a are okay batteries. I would get the vtc4 instead. Efest batteries are bad, they're chargers are considered some of the best on the market. The Xtar VC4 is a solid charger but it's very important to get a good power supply for it.

any reason to go with the vtc4 instead of the vtc5a ?

 

[IMFire3605]

The VTC4 is rated at 20amps, independent test by our resident battery tester Mooch gave them a 23amp CDR. They used to be the King of batteries back in the mech/rda super-sub-ohm craze as they flexed up toward the VTC3's 28amp CDR rating though it decreased their overall life cycles to do so. The VTC5A with a rated 25amp CDR to begin with would handle more stress and with 2500mah runtime they would last longer on charge than a VTC4's 2100mah. Not to mention being how old the VTC4 is, would hard pressed to trust if they were at the higher end stock that is suitable for high stress application given their recent decline in production or production stopped entirely as the VTC5A is a newer model and pretty much still if full production at a new facility outside the Fukashima disaster zone from a few years back.

 

[Smudge77]

ok, i think you guys have made up my mind, im going to go with a pair of 25's and a pair of vtc5a's ill get an extra pair if they meet my needs, i guess ill stick with the efest soda charger, seems basic to me but meah, i suppose i like to see when the batterys is fully charged instead of 2 green light constanly on, gona go with the gx350 too as my 2nd mod, just need my cloud beast tank to arrive then ima gona vape that bad boy

thanks again to all who given me advice,, you been very helpful