I'm sure everyone has experienced burnt hits. When you take a hit that tastes burnt (I'm assuming it is tasting burnt because the wick is not saturated with juice properly) are you inhaling particles of a burnt wick? Or in in rba for example if you're using cotton that is not wicking correctly, and you're inhaling burnt hits, are you inhaling particles of burnt cotton? Is it simply a bad taste or is damage being done to the lungs?
Are "burnt hits" bad for your lungs?
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I don't think you'd be actually inhaling any "particles" but there might be some smoke-like carbon or something in a burnt hit, but how many times does that happen? When you smoke a cigarette you take a "burnt" hit with every puff. If you get a burnt hit on you PV you stop and fix the problem, so I wouldn't worry about it. Still much safer than smoking and a burnt hit now and then isn't going to kill you.
I don't know about cotton, but I know that silica wick does not burn.
But as for what a "burnt" hit is, I'm not sure anyone knows.
Could a little juice be "burning" maybe?
Could it be baked on gunk on the coil burning a little?
Is it a taste somehow generated by the metal of the coil?
Yeah, I really don't know, but I do try to avoid them.
And when I get one I don't inhale it.
But as for what a "burnt" hit is, I'm not sure anyone knows.
Could a little juice be "burning" maybe?
Could it be baked on gunk on the coil burning a little?
Is it a taste somehow generated by the metal of the coil?
Yeah, I really don't know, but I do try to avoid them.
And when I get one I don't inhale it.
Burnt hit = the not so sweet taste of combustion.
Is it bad for you?
Doesn't sound good for you. Sounds like you should avoid it, doesn't it?
Is it bad for you?
Doesn't sound good for you. Sounds like you should avoid it, doesn't it?
I don't think we get any wick particles from burnt hits. I think it's smoke from overheating juice or cotton. Neither silica or steel burn, so its got to be the juice. I do try to avoid burnt hits as much as possible and fix whatever is causing them as soon as I notice it.
i have one juice that sometimes tastes burnt, other times doesnt. i think it may depend on the pg/vg mix, how well its wicking, even thickness and color of the juice. but hey, one or two burnt hits arent as bad as you know, a cig, hehe.
Pain is an indication of damage. If you scorch your hand once, then it heals pretty quick.
Do it 1000 times, and I bet the damage will be a bit more perm innate.
I am NOT going to try that with dry hits, thankyouverymuch.
Do it 1000 times, and I bet the damage will be a bit more perm innate.
I am NOT going to try that with dry hits, thankyouverymuch.
Cant be too good for you. I always prime let my coils sit in the tank for 10 minutes, I dont inhale my first few vapes on a new coil.
-------------- currently using silica, but plan on moving to organic cotton soon. --
-------------- currently using silica, but plan on moving to organic cotton soon. --
Wood smoke is carcinogenic so I imagine most smoke is. We still sit around campfires. We still wade into the kitchen when we've burned the toast or the grill pan is on fire. As a kid I used to burn Airfix models; polystyrene fumes are highly toxic. IMHO, a little smoke from burning wick or liquid is not going to harm you more than those.
WHen I first started vaping I had the EGO-C tank system. It has these horrid little attys that clog if you look at them crooked. ABout 2 weeks into vaping I got the mother of all burnt/dry hits. At that time I did not know there is different way to puff on an ecig. Yeah I direct lung inhaled it.
I gave myself a 4 day sinus headache that involved a trip to the doctor to clear up.
That CANNOT be good for you.
I gave myself a 4 day sinus headache that involved a trip to the doctor to clear up.
That CANNOT be good for you.
my thoughts, burning cotton will produce toxic fumes.
2 things keep the wick and coil assembly cool, air flow and liquid.
the coil is basically an air and liquid cooled heat powered atomizer.
the fuel injectors in your car are also atomizers but they use an electromechanical solenoid to push and pull a tiny valve open and closed very very fast and use some aerodynamic and hydrodynamic principles to achieve a "mist" of fuel that is then sucked into into the engine (combustion chamber). the Fuel injector is an example of an Atomizer that requires no external cooling forces...
so lets break down our wick and coil model,
we have a porous / fibrous wick. the small porous in the wick carry the e-liquid to the coil via "capillary action". basically fluids will always try to take the shape of there container and this case its the "container" is a network of microscopic tubes, channels, pores and VOIDS in the wick. these empty spaces are filled with air and when you take a drag off the e-cig you are lowering the air pressure inside these voids and allowing the e-liquid to take the place of the air.
lets look at the coil now,
you have kanthal wire. (you might use Nichrome wire but because im not well versed in its material properties i will not cover it here)
so kanthal is an Proprietary alloy of different metals, iron-chromium-aluminium. exact amounts used are not well known (Proprietary).
when this alloy gets hot it tends to expand and form a protective layer of aluminum oxide. this aluminum oxide layer is brittle and flakes off.
lets put it all together
so you have a porous wick that is carrying fluid to a heating coil. the e-liquid is energized by the heat and expands into a gas form. because e-liquid is a solution of a lot of different chemicals some of these chemicals break down into other chemicals before they are able to be vaporized because they got hung up in a spot that lacks air flow or they just got to much heat. This is what that black "gunk" is on your used wicks and coils. remember that the wick is porous and will trap particles from the burning e-liquid. so over time you have a build up of SOILD gunk in the pores of the wick taking up the area the e-liquid needs. the aluminum oxide layer will also start to pick up this gunk and eventually end up in the wick as well..
Amorous Silica (silica wick) has a very low coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE), well Kanthal (being mostly iron) has a CTE normal for most alloys of similar nature.
so when you fire your atty, the wick is not expanding at any significant rate but the wire is expanding. people who rebuild know that you want to wrap wire around the wick with a bit of tension but not so tight that you constrict the flow of e-liquid.
so are burnt hits "bad"??? well they are all kind of burnt hits in a way, some more burnt than others.. your not getting perfect / %100 Atomization in our situation. there will be by products of the process that will taste bad and the heat and or hot particles of vapor may cause pain. we don't really have any long term testing for e-cigarette usage, so we cant say if its "good" or "bad" for you.
i will say this... the grill marks people like to make on steak and other meat are carcinogenic..
2 things keep the wick and coil assembly cool, air flow and liquid.
the coil is basically an air and liquid cooled heat powered atomizer.
the fuel injectors in your car are also atomizers but they use an electromechanical solenoid to push and pull a tiny valve open and closed very very fast and use some aerodynamic and hydrodynamic principles to achieve a "mist" of fuel that is then sucked into into the engine (combustion chamber). the Fuel injector is an example of an Atomizer that requires no external cooling forces...
so lets break down our wick and coil model,
we have a porous / fibrous wick. the small porous in the wick carry the e-liquid to the coil via "capillary action". basically fluids will always try to take the shape of there container and this case its the "container" is a network of microscopic tubes, channels, pores and VOIDS in the wick. these empty spaces are filled with air and when you take a drag off the e-cig you are lowering the air pressure inside these voids and allowing the e-liquid to take the place of the air.
lets look at the coil now,
you have kanthal wire. (you might use Nichrome wire but because im not well versed in its material properties i will not cover it here)
so kanthal is an Proprietary alloy of different metals, iron-chromium-aluminium. exact amounts used are not well known (Proprietary).
when this alloy gets hot it tends to expand and form a protective layer of aluminum oxide. this aluminum oxide layer is brittle and flakes off.
lets put it all together
so you have a porous wick that is carrying fluid to a heating coil. the e-liquid is energized by the heat and expands into a gas form. because e-liquid is a solution of a lot of different chemicals some of these chemicals break down into other chemicals before they are able to be vaporized because they got hung up in a spot that lacks air flow or they just got to much heat. This is what that black "gunk" is on your used wicks and coils. remember that the wick is porous and will trap particles from the burning e-liquid. so over time you have a build up of SOILD gunk in the pores of the wick taking up the area the e-liquid needs. the aluminum oxide layer will also start to pick up this gunk and eventually end up in the wick as well..
Amorous Silica (silica wick) has a very low coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE), well Kanthal (being mostly iron) has a CTE normal for most alloys of similar nature.
so when you fire your atty, the wick is not expanding at any significant rate but the wire is expanding. people who rebuild know that you want to wrap wire around the wick with a bit of tension but not so tight that you constrict the flow of e-liquid.
so are burnt hits "bad"??? well they are all kind of burnt hits in a way, some more burnt than others.. your not getting perfect / %100 Atomization in our situation. there will be by products of the process that will taste bad and the heat and or hot particles of vapor may cause pain. we don't really have any long term testing for e-cigarette usage, so we cant say if its "good" or "bad" for you.
i will say this... the grill marks people like to make on steak and other meat are carcinogenic..
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