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    MLEJ

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    Won't happen. Not in my lifetime or yours. BT won't let it happen. If they have to grease a few more politicians' palms, they will.
    Depends... Once vaping as we know it is gone from the West and Big Pharma subsequently has it's vaping devices FDA approved, we'll see if BP can out bid BT.
     

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    Good article!

    Although, I don't believe in an all out ban, as I think adults should make the choice on their own. England didn't ban cigarettes, but they were honest and helpful in pointing smokers to vaping as a healthier alternative and was very successful...

    That means we don't have to ban cigarettes, but we as a nation SHOULD actively promote vaping as a viable smoking cessation device.
     

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    Just wondering out loud: Vape products are “deemed” tobacco products. BT takes over the vape industry which is then taxed at the same or greater levels than cigs. Vape product sales by BT are counted under the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement that gives states their cut of the profits indefinitely.

    The corrupt $$ system continues. Cigs go away eventually along with their health harms. Only the anti-tobacco “non-profits” lose their meal tickets. (They are the ones screaming the loudest against vape.)

    The propaganda machine goes into motion saying “New science shows Vape is Safer!” And all the money flows to them after they squash small businesses out of it.
     

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    Just wondering out loud: Vape products are “deemed” tobacco products. BT takes over the vape industry which is then taxed at the same or greater levels than cigs. Vape product sales by BT are counted under the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement that gives states their cut of the profits indefinitely.

    Well, as I understand it, the MSA exists because BT is paying (in theory) for making the populace sick by selling them a harmful tobacco product, requiring expensive medical care.

    If combustible cigs go away but vape replaces it, there should be far less sick people as a result of smoking "tobacco products". So BT would then sue to break it's settlement agreement under the grounds that it is no longer needed, or to get the payouts reduced significantly. Like "95% less".
     

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    Well, as I understand it, the MSA exists because BT is paying (in theory) for making the populace sick by selling them a harmful tobacco product, requiring expensive medical care.

    If combustible cigs go away but vape replaces it, there should be far less sick people as a result of smoking "tobacco products". So BT would then sue to break it's settlement agreement under the grounds that it is no longer needed, or to get the payouts reduced significantly. Like "95% less".

    Could be. Or maybe BT starts adding their nasty ingredients to their vapes and harm increases with new harms appearing. Meanwhile BP makes money whenever anyone gets sick.

    It’s hard not to be cynical. The game is so rigged.
     

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    It's all temporary anyway, isn't it? If the statistics are accurate, the number of young people smoking cigarettes these days is tiny. It won't be all that long before it's just not profitable to sell them anymore; not in Western countries anyway. Nearly all vapers are people quitting or reducing smoking, right? So the whole business will dry up, too. It's all short-term, the profits & the taxes & all. Why ban something when it's going to disappear anyway and when doing so would cost a politician a lot of votes in the meantime?
     

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    It's all temporary anyway, isn't it? If the statistics are accurate, the number of young people smoking cigarettes these days is tiny. It won't be all that long before it's just not profitable to sell them anymore; not in Western countries anyway. Nearly all vapers are people quitting or reducing smoking, right? So the whole business will dry up, too. It's all short-term, the profits & the taxes & all. Why ban something when it's going to disappear anyway and when doing so would cost a politician a lot of votes in the meantime?

    It is completely counterintuitive and circuitously regressive. But whoever said that government is rational? However, taxes are forever.

    Good luck. :)
     

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    It's all temporary anyway, isn't it? If the statistics are accurate, the number of young people smoking cigarettes these days is tiny. It won't be all that long before it's just not profitable to sell them anymore; not in Western countries anyway. Nearly all vapers are people quitting or reducing smoking, right? So the whole business will dry up, too. It's all short-term, the profits & the taxes & all. Why ban something when it's going to disappear anyway and when doing so would cost a politician a lot of votes in the meantime?

    Nicotine use will never go away. Also, you will have to ban movies and TV from the past with smoking in it. But pot movies will be perfectly fine in everybody's minds.

    It was only the "white man" that found away to sell tobacco and marijuana for profit and sell it for use everyday. I think Native Americans smoked the peace pipe recreationally with tobacco and marijuana. Also, Big Tobacco purposely studied the effects of different kinds of tobacco plants on Native Americans. It was shown that not all tobacco plants are the same.
     
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    Although, I don't believe in an all out ban, as I think adults should make the choice on their own. England didn't ban cigarettes, but they were honest and helpful in pointing smokers to vaping as a healthier alternative and was very successful...

    Hardcore vape people have become a sub-culture at this point. The flavor chasers and cloud chasers do not help promote vaping as disposables or pod systems do instead of smoking.

    Also, vaping in England only allows 24mg as the highest level. Letting kids vape 50mg flavored e-cigarettes makes vaping seem like it's a party drug. When you measure a bottle of e-juice by the size. If it says 50mg, 24mg, 18mg, 6mg, or 3mg. Every drop is equal by volume. That means 24mg is really equal to a pack of cigarettes, not 50mg.

    One cigerette is equal to 1mg to 2mg.
     

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    Banning cigs would accomplish nothing except create a huge black market. Look at what happened when we tried to ban alcohol 100 years ago. Look at what happened with the "war on drugs". Heck, look at what happened in South Africa when they implemented a temporary ban on cigarette sales during their first WuFlu lockdowns last year. Where there's a demand, there will be a supply.
     

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    Nicotine use will never go away.
    LEGAL nicotine use may.

    Also, you will have to ban movies and TV from the past with smoking in it.
    Nah, just include a notice. And with digitizing, they can change nearly anything.

    think Native Americans smoked the peace pipe recreationally with tobacco
    Actually, some of them were quite addicted daily smokers, going about with rolled up, smoldering tobacco leaves in their mouths or stuck into a nostril.

    Letting kids vape 50mg flavored e-cigarettes makes vaping seem like it's a party drug.
    Of course, Juul pods aren't intended to be vaped from full to empty in one sitting. Regardless, only the very most libertarian-minded would object to reasonable & sensible restrictions for the sake of public health. But 'reasonable' & 'sensible' aren't in the government regulator handbook ('Pay to the order of' is surely in there a lot).
     
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    The flavor chasers and cloud chasers do not help promote vaping as disposables or pod systems do instead of smoking.

    Because I was able to quit smoking using vaping, every smoker in my extended family came to me for advice and most ended up quitting smoking also.

    So don't say we don't influence anyone to stop smoking. We are the ones with enough knowledge to actually help others do so successfully.

    At any rate, good day. Most of your post doesn't even deserve a reply.
     
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    Nearly all vapers are people quitting or reducing smoking, right?
    I'm guessing maybe you don't have teenage kids.
    My 15 year old's class at school has just as many vapers today as we had smokers at their age.
    Don't want to start a teen vaping good v bad thing here - just stating facts as they are where I live. I'll leave the judgment out of it.
    Vaping will always have a market imo.
     

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    Nicotine use will never go away. Also, you will have to ban movies and TV from the past with smoking in it. But pot movies will be perfectly fine in everybody's minds.

    It was only the "white man" that found away to sell tobacco and marijuana for profit and sell it for use everyday. I think Native Americans smoked the peace pipe recreationally with tobacco and marijuana. Also, Big Tobacco purposely studied the effects of different kinds of tobacco plants on Native Americans. It was shown that not all tobacco plants are the same.

    Last warning. Next post that mentions substances not germane to the topic will result in a temporary vacation from ECF.
     
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