Do you deserve to Vape?

[SissySpike]

I agree thats its not fair we are being attacked from pretty much all sides.
But fact of the matter is we are.
So what are you doing about it?

Do you answer calls to action from Casaa, and or are you a member?

Do you wright rebuttals to editors of news channels and papers who spread antivape propaganda?

Do you donate money to Casaa?
Every little bit helps if 5$ a month is all you can afford thats awesome! Well its not awesome you only have 5$ free dollars a month but awesome you will donate 5$ when you are on a tight budget.

I deserve to be a vapor and I pledege to my fellow vapors to continue to answer calls of actions from Casaa, wright letters to those who print or pass on antivaping propaganda, and continue to donate funds to Casaa so they can continue to fight for us.

What are you going to do, to deserve to be a Vapor?

I hope all who read this will get involved and do something about the situation we are facing. No matter what you do grate or small at least do SOMETHING!

Also big big ATTA BOYS all around for all of those already involved and taking action.

 

[ppeeble]

I totally get what you are saying.... But.
The bottom line is that vaping will not be banned, it will be legislated by the powers that be so that it can be easily taxed. The only way that vaping would be banned is if governments were sure people would switch to taxable alternatives (cigarettes).
I am passionate about peoples rights but no-one can fight this. It's not about putting out facts about vaping out there. It's not about proving Antz propaganda wrong. These are skirmishes to keep people occupied while the real work of working out viable tax methods is honed behind closed doors.

No one outside of forums and vape groups cares about vaping in reality. It's media hype. Governments care about revenue. Period.

 

[skoony]

I totally get what you are saying.... But.
The bottom line is that vaping will not be banned, it will be legislated by the powers that be so that it can be easily taxed. The only way that vaping would be banned is if governments were sure people would switch to taxable alternatives (cigarettes).
I am passionate about peoples rights but no-one can fight this. It's not about putting out facts about vaping out there. It's not about proving Antz propaganda wrong. These are skirmishes to keep people occupied while the real work of working out viable tax methods is honed behind closed doors.

No one outside of forums and vape groups cares about vaping in reality. It's media hype. Governments care about revenue. Period.

e-cigarettes with pre-filled tamper proof cartridges wont be banned.
everything else will be.

mike

 

[SissySpike]

I totally get what you are saying.... But.
The bottom line is that vaping will not be banned, it will be legislated by the powers that be so that it can be easily taxed. The only way that vaping would be banned is if governments were sure people would switch to taxable alternatives (cigarettes).
I am passionate about peoples rights but no-one can fight this. It's not about putting out facts about vaping out there. It's not about proving Antz propaganda wrong. These are skirmishes to keep people occupied while the real work of working out viable tax methods is honed behind closed doors.

No one outside of forums and vape groups cares about vaping in reality. It's media hype. Governments care about revenue. Period.

I guess thats one way to look at it me I prefer to try to do something. You are wrong about others not caring I have family friends coworkers who are informed on the subject as we all have.
They have an opinion and will express it when it comes up and when it comes to voting.
Admittedly they do not have the same passion I do but they do have the correct information.

 

[Jorge22]

In Europe, TW is figthing the TPD with a legal challenge which I've read. After having read it, I became more optimistic than I was before and TW is pretty optimistic too. Of course, no one knows what exactly will happen in the future, the thing we all know is what has been prepared for us. Regarding the anti-vaping propaganda, the harm is done and will remain so for long as the media were more than glad to print any scaremongering story that went into their hands - that's the press for you these days! But I'm a bit more confident when I see many scientists are starting to take a different stance... In time, it may start getting to the press too as the press don't really have an agenda save for their own. I see us facing harder times but things may not happen exactly as planned for the powers that be. Well, sometimes, taking into account all the interests that sit on the table, I have to ask myself how come they let us get away with it for so long - still, the fact that they did is a weak spot for them. And nobody said it would be easy as pie. Let's keep doing whatever we can on behalf of the right to vape, yes, and see what happens. I think a lot of water will still go under the bridge.

EDIT: Btw, saying people outside the forums, even when well informed, couldn't really care less about vaping, isn't far from the truth. You just don't get anyone else to fight your own fights, that's human nature.

 

[RebornLincoln06]

The very issue is this...the government is going to regulate the living s*** out of vaping, and no one is going to do anything about it. You know why? Because they're an extremely powerful corrupt government that no one thinks they'll beat if they try to fight them. The vaping community is large in the US, but it's not THAT large where if we all decided to protest, they would switch back. I'm all for government regulation (in certain instances) but in this case, it's only going to cause pain for citizens. All for the government to get more change in their pockets.

Corruption...gotta love it.

 

[SissySpike]

In Europe, TW is figthing the TPD with a legal challenge which I've read. After having read it, I became more optimistic than I was before and TW is pretty optimistic too. Of course, no one knows what exactly will happen in the future, the thing we all know is what has been prepared for us. Regarding the anti-vaping propaganda, the harm is done and will remain so for long as the media were more than glad to print any scaremongering story that went into their hands - that's the press for you these days! But I'm a bit more confident when I see many scientists are starting to take a different stance... In time, it may start getting to the press too as the press don't really have an agenda save for their own. I see us facing harder times but things may not happen exactly has planned for the powers that be. Well, sometimes, taking into account all the interests that sit on the table, I have to ask myself how come they let us get away with it for so long - still, the fact that they did is a weak spot for them. And nobody said it would be easy as pie. Let's keep doing whatever we can on behalf of the right to vape, yes, and see what happens. I think a lot of water will still go under the bridge.

EDIT: Btw, saying people outside the forums, even when well informed, couldn't really care less about vaping, isn't far from the truth. You just don't get anyone else to fight your own fights, that's human nature.

You guys are having it worse over there for the time being but you guys are not taking it lying down!
I dont think anybody expected vaping to go as it has it took them off guard. The problem is we are hitting some pretty powerful people in their pocket books so they will fight back.
The good thing is we have numbers so we do stand a chance.
Our biggest enemy is our selves in way to many take the sidelines. We dont have endless funds and politicians ears individually, but together we can be a very influential force!

 

[Thrasher]

e-cigarettes with pre-filled tamper proof cartridges wont be banned.
everything else will be.

mike

Look up blue foam.


We did it once, we will do it again.


Something always not mentioned.

Call or write your representative ,gov, congressmen whoever.

Don't tell them vaping saved your life, they don't care.

Instead tell them vaping is now your hot button issue. And you will support whatever candidate that supports your position on vaping, even if it means crossing party lines.
Threatening that cushy job seems to really get their attention, and its amazing how well they actually pay attention to what you have to say when unemployment enters the conversation.

 

[SissySpike]

Look up blue foam.


We did it once, we will do it again.


Something always not mentioned.

Call or write your representative ,gov, congressmen whoever.

Don't tell them vaping saved your life, they don't care.

Instead tell them vaping is now your hot button issue. And you will support whatever candidate that supports your position on vaping, even if it means crossing party lines.
Threatening that cushy job seems to really get their attention, and its amazing how well they actually pay attention to what you have to say when unemployment enters the conversation.

100% good info Single issue voter is a good word to throw out. Especially at local level goverment where small numbers of votes can take their job away.

 

[Jorge22]

Yes. The Portuguese government was about to vote a law in parliament which, among other things, since they've placed an excise duty of 0.60 € per ml of nicotine containing e-liquid, would have banned online sales (all this because the TPD allows it) - hence, we wouldn't be able to buy online from other places in Europe anymore, people would have to pay the outrageous tax if they wanted nic in their liquids.
So, I wrote the vice-prime minister's cabinet (it's a coalition, he's from a different party than the prime minister and I knew he wasn't very happy with the law from the start) and told him I'd always voted for his party but, since this would make it look as if we were living in China, North Korea or the USSR, he could never again have my vote.
Ok, as he probably opposed the idea, it was an easier target than others. I don't know if it had any influence, it's a bit hard to imagine something so simple having any influence whatsoever in our brave new world. The fact, though, is they never voted the banning of online sales as intended, hence online sales weren't banned in the end and I can still buy from Spain or France or the UK without having to pay the stupid excise duty.

Anyway, if TW's legal challenge has results (as TW expects it), the European Parliament may have to review the TPD and even the excise duty will have to be taken back as it will become an "outlaw law".

 

[mcol]

I belong to CASAA. I actively get involved in those states
I care about (Indiana, Missouri, etc.). I don't get involved in
all states because it would consume more time than I have,
plus make me mad and crazy (ier).
However I too think it's a losing battle, although can and has
been postponed and dragged out longer than expected. Each
year it will get worse as states and feds look for money.
I can diy, but I chose not to. Instead I did not move on to any
devices larger than ego sized. I use most of the time the
smaller tanks, and have gradually decreased my nic. I am
fully prepared to walk, at the same time I will actively
campaign against any politician that has pursued vaping
bans/taxes. I am enjoying it as long as I can though while
decreasing nic, and at the very least I can vape vg and pg
exclusively with no nic. Living in Missouri will have an advantage
as Missouri for the most part doesn't have large sin taxes, so
unless the feds get really stupid I should be okay awhile. I'm
NOT hoarding nic, I refuse. I also will refuse to once again
be treated like a leper or pay a hefty sin tax. They can
find some other goat to balance their budget.
I stopped recommending smokers to switch to vaping because
of this very thing. Because so many have stopped smoking
they are bending over backwards to find fault with vaping,
including junk studies. They can stick it in their (censored)
for all I care, I'm not playing.

 

[roxynoodle]

I am a CASAA member. I answer all calls to action.

And I educate all non vapers whenever the opportunity presents itself. Pretty sure I've won some of them over to our side.

 

[SissySpike]

I am a CASAA member. I answer all calls to action.

And I educate all non vapers whenever the opportunity presents itself. Pretty sure I've won some of them over to our side.

they would be a foolish to not be swayed by the famous Roxynoodle! I say Roxy for president!!!!!!!!

 

[EBates]

I belong to CASAA. I actively get involved in those states
I care about (Indiana, Missouri, etc.). I don't get involved in
all states because it would consume more time than I have,
plus make me mad and crazy (ier).
However I too think it's a losing battle, although can and has
been postponed and dragged out longer than expected. Each
year it will get worse as states and feds look for money.
I can diy, but I chose not to. Instead I did not move on to any
devices larger than ego sized. I use most of the time the
smaller tanks, and have gradually decreased my nic. I am
fully prepared to walk, at the same time I will actively
campaign against any politician that has pursued vaping
bans/taxes. I am enjoying it as long as I can though while
decreasing nic, and at the very least I can vape vg and pg
exclusively with no nic. Living in Missouri will have an advantage
as Missouri for the most part doesn't have large sin taxes, so
unless the feds get really stupid I should be okay awhile. I'm
NOT hoarding nic, I refuse. I also will refuse to once again
be treated like a leper or pay a hefty sin tax. They can
find some other goat to balance their budget.
I stopped recommending smokers to switch to vaping because
of this very thing. Because so many have stopped smoking
they are bending over backwards to find fault with vaping,
including junk studies. They can stick it in their (censored)
for all I care, I'm not playing.

Sad to say but I agree with you on several points.
Stopping the BG Tax Train by standing on the tracks is not likely to work. And Yes I have duly informed several politicians that how they vote will determine how I do.
No I Don't plan to help with the Fed/State Budget issues by paying outlandish taxes for Very Sub-par e-cigs. I'm ramping down my nic intake as we speak.

The only part of this fiasco that I can't make sense of is why would kill all of the mom and pop shops, increase unemployment, destroy profitable products, tax and regulate e-cigs into extinction, without a guaranteed cash cow waiting in the wings. I realize that BT is supposed to be that cash cow. But if many folks like mcol and myself are successful in quitting tobacco totally, where does that leave the cash cow. I'm not the sharpest stick in the pile but I just don't get it. Vaping 'appears' to be the answer to too many prayers for the FDA to be Killing The Goose That Laid The Golden Egg. Again I'm slow so draw pictures.

 

[mcol]

Sad to say but I agree with you on several points.
Stopping the BG Tax Train by standing on the tracks is not likely to work. And Yes I have duly informed several politicians that how they vote will determine how I do.
No I Don't plan to help with the Fed/State Budget issues by paying outlandish taxes for Very Sub-par e-cigs. I'm ramping down my nic intake as we speak.

The only part of this fiasco that I can't make sense of is why would kill all of the mom and pop shops, increase unemployment, destroy profitable products, tax and regulate e-cigs into extinction, without a guaranteed cash cow waiting in the wings. I realize that BT is supposed to be that cash cow. But if many folks like mcol and myself are successful in quitting tobacco totally, where does that leave the cash cow. I'm not the sharpest stick in the pile but I just don't get it. Vaping 'appears' to be the answer to too many prayers for the FDA to be Killing The Goose That Laid The Golden Egg. Again I'm slow so draw pictures.

I think basically politicians are looking for short term, not long term. They
aren't concerned about in the future, because they won't be in office then.
So.......20 years from now when no one is smoking or vaping and the economy
has tanked they're off on vacation to somewhere for a month and out of
office. Plus when have politicians ever once thought about their
constituents when making a decision for the here and now? Maybe generations
ago. Our apathy toward voting and our amnesia when it comes time for those
of us that do go to the polls is what they count on. People have short
memories when it comes to voting. And there aren't many politicians who
are worried about the economy as long as they're taken care of.
Another thing to remember is the majority of the country doesn't smoke
or vape, and that's who they're trying to appeal to vote for them. We are
too small.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Can I be deemed worthy to vape by the vape gods, please!!!!

 

[EBates]

Sorry, but as I said draw pictures. I missed the part on how this resurrects the cash cow.

 

[mattiem]

Sad to say but I agree with you on several points.
Stopping the BG Tax Train by standing on the tracks is not likely to work. And Yes I have duly informed several politicians that how they vote will determine how I do.
No I Don't plan to help with the Fed/State Budget issues by paying outlandish taxes for Very Sub-par e-cigs. I'm ramping down my nic intake as we speak.

The only part of this fiasco that I can't make sense of is why would kill all of the mom and pop shops, increase unemployment, destroy profitable products, tax and regulate e-cigs into extinction, without a guaranteed cash cow waiting in the wings. I realize that BT is supposed to be that cash cow. But if many folks like mcol and myself are successful in quitting tobacco totally, where does that leave the cash cow. I'm not the sharpest stick in the pile but I just don't get it. Vaping 'appears' to be the answer to too many prayers for the FDA to be Killing The Goose That Laid The Golden Egg. Again I'm slow so draw pictures.

You have got to understand the powers that be don't even have the brains God gave a Tumble Bug. At least the Tumble Bug has a purpose for and knows what he is going to do with that ball of poop he is pushing.

These guys are shooting themselves in the foot and don't even realize it

 

[EBates]

Can I be deemed worthy to vape by the vape gods, please!!!!

The Gods (FDA) have reviewed your request and will begin a formal review process after your request fee and associated application form have been received.

 

[mcol]

Sorry, but as I said draw pictures. I missed the part on how this resurrects the cash cow.

Once they can tax vaping supplies the same as cigs it will make up some of it,
then they can continue to raise the sin tax. Eventually this too will crash
but they don't care. Once milked dry they already have the door opened to
go after fast food, etc.